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National Liberation Day

30 years ago today, ordinary folks all around the world celebrated National Liberation Day as the patriotic Vietnamese Army overran Saigon and the last American invaders fled, cringing, from the roof of their embassy.

Saigon
If they had any sense, the current American Administration would celebrate today as National Defeat Day, and meditate on the fact that the Empire can be beaten, can be pushed back whatever its apparent strength.

Whether it represents defeat and/or liberation, April 30th, 1975 is an important anniversary.

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I don't suppose you've ever heardr of the Boat People, have you?

What about the Re-education camps?

Some things for you to think about:

http://vietpundit.blogspot.com/2005/04/pham-thi-hoai-on-vietnam.html

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/parameters/03autumn/previdi.htm

Posted by: Scunner47 | May 10, 2005 10:29:57 PM

Had the Americans NOT invaded a series of foreign sovereign countries, in search of their own global hegemony, none of these events would have occured. Nor would 50,000+ Americans died. Think on that.

Posted by: Jak King | May 10, 2005 11:07:31 PM

WTF are you talking about? It was the North Vietnamese Communists who were doing the invading.
We were trying to defend out ally the Republic of Vietnam, as well as the rest of Southeastern Asia.

And re-readf the links posted.

Posted by: Scunner47 | May 11, 2005 6:49:59 PM

More:

http://www.april30.org/en_main.php

Posted by: Scunner47 | May 11, 2005 6:50:53 PM

I'm not sure how you can say that the Vietnamese were invading their own country. They were fighting to RESTORE the country that had been divided against their will at Geneva. They only began their civil war after the American puppet regime refused to hold natiowide elections that they had promised to do at Geneva -- a refusal based on the knowledge (agreed by virtually all independent historians) that Ho would have won.

The Americans were there supporting their puppet regime in Saigon in a bid to maintain their "containment" strategy surrounding the Soviet Union and China.

Were Cambodia and Laos "allies" of the US, too? Or do you have a different excuse for their destruction by American arms?

VietPundits remarks just show what happens when capitalism invades a country. As for acknowledging the boat peoples' exodus, what about the extermination of the American indians? When will you and the US acknowledge that holocaust, eh?

Your other reference is from the US Army -- never a fount of objective research or reporting.

Vietnam was just one of the hundreds of instances of American imperialism. We didn't buy the excuses then, and we sure don't buy themnow.

Posted by: Jak King | May 11, 2005 8:50:59 PM

How could you celebrate the betrayal of a nation--a nation that had at least as much right to exist as South Korea or Taiwan, nations that were once also labeled “American puppet regimes”--and the triumph of a Communist tyranny. What excuse could you have for celebrating the victory of a murderous and oppressive regime?

Today the “puppet regimes” of South Korea and Taiwan are prosperous democracies, and have been for years. The same can’t be said for “united” Vietnam and her 2 neighbors.

30 years of warfare--admittedly brutal warfare, but despite that hardly anyone in Indochina fled; it was *after* the Communist victory that millions were forced to flee (2 million alone from conquered South Vietnam). Doesn’t that tell you anything? What about the thousands who fled the Communist consolidation and collectivization in the North during the 1950s? What about the nearly 200,000 South Vietnamese soldiers who sacrificed their lives? What about the “re-education camps” and political prisons? What about the thousands executed? The South Vietnamese were condemned by the worldwide Left for doing far less when the war was on—why was Hanoi not held to the same standards when the war was over?

“The Americans were there supporting their puppet regime in Saigon in a bid to maintain their "containment" strategy surrounding the Soviet Union and China. “

Containing the Soviet Union and Red Chin was a “bad” thing because…”

“Were Cambodia and Laos "allies" of the US, too? Or do you have a different excuse for their destruction by American arms?”

You’ve got a *picture* of it on this post. Or do you have an excuse for what the North Vietnamese army were doing in Cambodian and Laotian territory?
And you’re not suggesting that the the refugees who fled Cambodia and Laos *after* the Communist victories were fleeing “American arms”?

“VietPundits remarks just show what happens when capitalism invades a country.”

What??

As for acknowledging the boat peoples' exodus, what about the extermination of the American indians? When will you and the US acknowledge that holocaust, eh?

So, the suffering inflicted on the indigenous nations in the past, excuses the cruelties of the victorious Communists in Indochina? And apparently it also absolves the activists/lobbyists of the worldwide pseudo-peace movement of their moral responsibility for facilitating this tragedy.
You’d do well to re-read the Parameters essay:
“Dr. Gregory H. Stanton is the Director of Genocide Watch and has written a staggeringly powerful chapter that should be assigned reading for all students of Ameri-can history and foreign policy, members of the press, and those serving in both the Congress and the executive branch of government. Stanton, who visited Cambodia in 1980 as a former protester against US involvement in the Vietnam War, returned quite the opposite following his firsthand experience. “I returned convinced that Congress cutting off assistance to fight the Khmer Rouge and to enforce the Paris Accords doomed millions of Cambodians and Vietnamese to unspeakable deaths. I can never again believe that the fight against Communism in Southeast Asia was wrong.”
Gotta take issue with something else you said:
“Empire can be beaten, can be pushed back whatever its apparent strength…”
Take a look again at the tank in that pic. Care to guess where it was manufactured, where it came from? You don’t seem to have had a problem with *that* empire.

Thankfully, the mass-murderers struggling to re-enslave Iraq won’t have the same advantage.

Doesn’t mean they can’t win, of course. If they do, will you accept the results the same way pseudo-peace movement of the Vietnam War Era did?

Here’s a preview:
http://tinyurl.com/cs9eh

At least the victims in the Abu Ghraib photos are still alive.

Noticed your post about that “impressive man” below. When viewing the photo above it might help to recall something he wrote awhile back:

http://tinyurl.com/99qcg

“it is to be hoped that the invaders of Iraq will eventually be harried out of the country by a growing national reaction to the occupation regime they install, and that their collaborators may meet the fate of former Iraqi prime minister Nuri Said before them.”

Posted by: Scunner47 | May 16, 2005 11:14:14 PM